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How to Find the Manufacture Date of An SKS by Serial Number

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Diamond factory code: 1. Markings on the leaf. While under Russian supervision, it was only natural the Russian advisors would implement the Russian style of serial numbering on the Chinese built SKS.

However, Jianshe Industry Ltd. The positions are different than the early models. This model is called the 'Karabiner-S' or K-S for short.

How to Find the Manufacture Date of An SKS by Serial Number - The stripper clip is a one-piece, spring steel stamping - very sturdy and efficient. This is a 1957 vintage Romanian SKS.

INTRODUCTION: China has been manufacturing SKS for over 50 years producing more SKS than any other nation. During this period, we've seen how it has evolved from the original design to the many variations. The main driving force for the changes was purely economics, a need to produce more at a lower cost. Faced with an over supply in a saturated North American market, several new variants were created and marketed. Writing this sticky was a daunting task because the amount of information was overwhelming. Just the factory codes alone numbered in 150. Some of the codes were difficult to decipher because they were like jig-saw puzzles fitted within a triangle. I've decided to cover two of the most common Chinese SKS in Canada, the standard and a variant. The SKS-D is a distant second. As with the Russian SKS sticky, information on how to operate a SKS is at the bottom of the report. I don't pretend to be an expert and this report isn't chiselled in stone. There is alot more information yet to be gathered. Should you have information that is different or relevant to this report, then please post it. There is one thing I have learnt with the Chinese SKS is to never to say never because anything is possible, there are plenty of anomalies. Please use this report as a guide only. HISTORY China was embroiled in a bitter civil war that began in 1927. The fighting continued in spite of the Japanese invasion during WWII, it finally ended in 1949 when the Communist defeated the Nationalist who fled to the island of Taiwan. October 1st, 1949 was the birth of a new nation, the People's Republic of China PRC. It had little time to rebuild when they were drawn into another war the following year. When China entered the Korean War in support of her communist neighbour, her army was still equipped with captured WWII Japanese, American and Nationalist built rifles along with donated Russian small arms. The huge stockpile quickly dwindled by the end of the war and they were resupplied with Russian surplus. In 1956, when Russia ended production of the SKS at the Tula Arsenal, they shipped the toolings, spare parts and specification to China along with technical advisors, who helped set up the manufacturing and training of the Chinese workers at Jianshe Arsenal aka factory 26. While the SKS no longer met Russia's new standard of modern warfare, China on the other hand embraced it, China liked it for its simplicity, ruggedness and ease of operation by its newest recruits. China felt the SKS had a role to play alongside of the AK47. In battle, it didn't use as much ammo, it was faster to charge 10 rounds and it could provide cover fire while the AK 30 round mags were being reloaded. The SKS having a longer barrel was more likely to hit the target than the shorter barrel AK. China adopted both the SKS and the AK47 in 1956. The spirit of cooperation between the two Communist superpowers didn't last, it ended a few years later in 1960. China was an ally of North Vietnam, another Communist neighbour. Unlike the Korean War she did not send troops to fight but she did supply food, equipment and weapons. China was the leading provider of small arms to North Vietnam and the war had a big impact on her production. If there was ever a major war that the Chinese SKS was recognized to have played a significant supporting role, this would be the war. The American public first encountered the Chinese SKS when the soldiers brought them back from the jungles of Vietnam. It soon became a popular war souvenir. The majority of all the bringbacks were from China and most were built in Jianshe Arsenal. China did not have a long history of firearms manufacturing. The oldest factory was Jianshe and it was built in 1889 during the Imperial Dynasty in the city of Chongqing. Prior to the arrival of the SKS in 1956, Jianshe was producing bolt action rifles. By the 60s, Jianshe became the largest SKS producer. China decided to further expand production by adding more factories. The majority of these factories were small and they were scattered throughout the country to aid the local economies. I'm not quite sure how many factories were actually built but probably far less than the 150 known factory codes. Most of these factories used more than one code. The late 70s to early 80s was a period of uncertainty for Jianshe. The Vietnam war ended several years earlier, Chairman Mao had passed away, New leadership was more focussed on economic reform than with building bigger armies. The writing was on the wall for this nearly 100 year old factory. Its fate was decided when the Army dropped the SKS and the AK from its front line. It was replaced by the newly designed Type 81 rifle. However, other branches of the military: the militia, border guards, honour guards and security police continued to use them as second line weapons. Today, the SKS is mainly used by the honour guards, troops on parade and for training by militias and cadets. China's Premier Wen Jiabao and Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper inspect honour guards. Chairman Mao takes a closer look at Jianshe in 1964. If Chairman Mao were alive today, he would not recognize the factory that began as an Imperial arms manufacturer because it is now one of the top motorcycle, ATV and moped manufacturers in China. With joint venture partner Yamaha, they sold over 14 million units since converting in 1982. I bet Mao never imagined the factory he once toured would one day be producing consumer products that are shipped around the world, would be in partnership with a Japanese corporation, no longer wholely owned by the state and listed on a stock exchange. Times sure have changed. The past, girl training with a rifle built in Jianshe. The present, girl sitting on ATV built in Jianshe. However, Jianshe Industry Ltd. Left side of receiver. This is what a left side of the receiver from factory 26 looks like, built in 1965. Factory code, 3 Chinese characters and serial numbers 9 million. They eventually dropped the codes altogether and replaced them with the exporter's name. I'm only listing the ones that I have seen pictures of and the pictures are from various sources. Some are from members of this and other forums and some are from various gun auction sites. This list will be updated when new information is received. Location of the codes: - Factory 26 1956-1961, the codes are located on the right side of the serial numbers. Square code, can be found either before or after the 3 Chinese characters. Translates to Type 56 carbine, not to be confused with Type 56 rifle which was assigned to the AK47. Location of the 3 Chinese characters: - Factory 26, from 1956-1961, had no Chinese characters. Most had the 3 Chinese characters are between the code and serial numbers as above but a few factories had only the codes and serial numbers, no Chinese character. The absent of date of production. Jianshe used to mark dates on their rifles prior to the arrival of the SKS but for some reason they did not on the SKS. Chinese serial numbers are generally numeric, except for the first year at factory 26 where two styles of serial numbering were used. While under Russian supervision, it was only natural the Russian advisors would implement the Russian style of serial numbering on the Chinese built SKS. They basically followed the Russian style but instead of using 2 cyrillic letters followed by 4 numbers, they used 1 alfa letter followed by 4 numbers. On a few rare occasions an unrecognizable symbol was observed in place of the alfa letter. This early first year production is better known as Sino-Soviet SKS. Sometime in the latter part of 1956, the style was switched to the Chinese. This led me to believe the Russian Advisors didn't stay in China for very long. The serial number contained 5 to 6 numbers. Every year thereafter it began at the next million, eventually to 24 million at factory 26. I have seen higher at other factories. Late production: On carrier and bolt. TRANSLATING THE SERIAL NUMBERS TO PRODUCTION DATE. Production date in serial number- Commercial variant. Some commercial production have the production year in the serial numbers. These ones have no factory codes nfc and serial numbers of 7 digits. Serial numbers began with 88 and later. The earlier serial numbers have no space while the later ones have a space between the first two and the last 5 digits. Serial number in the millions plus the year of adoption 1956 equal the year of production. The above formula will work on some other factory codes but not all of them. I cannot be certain that your result will be absolutely correct but it's better than not giving you a solution at all. I would suggest that you try it on your SKS with a triangle, rectangle or oblong codes which has 8 digit serial numbers ignore importer's prefix and suffix numbers. It will not work with 7 digit serial numbers. Use it in conjunction with the production classes below and see what you come up with. China has been building SKS for a very long time, too long to have just two classes like we did with the Russian SKS. It was more appropriate that we use three: early, mid and late production classes. The period for these production classes are rough estimates. I can't expect with that many factories involved to do things in unison, these factories were spread throught out the country and some of them were in remote areas. I am confident with the period for the early production class and that is because it was based on one factory, factory 26. The quickest way we can determine this is to look at the area where the barrel meets the receiver. As the war in Vietnam began to escalate. China who supplied North Vietnam with majority of her small arms embarked on a program to make their SKS faster and cheaper. Up to this point they made the SKS exactly like the Russian SKS except for the wood , even in the quality. This may surprise those of you who always associated anything built in China as inferior. The early Chinese SKS was not a cheap rifle to produce, many parts including the receiver required milling. They experimented making the receiver out of stamp sheet metal. Production was limited, probably due to the fact that the results weren't up to their expectations. However they had much better success with the following changes. At factory 26, Sometime in 1965, the first few changes were made to the bayo, stock and barrel lug. They changed the bayo from blade to a spike. It was cheaper to make a spike from a rod. The spike was made longer for better reach but also strong enough that the VC used it as a monopod. The disadvantage was it was heavier. To offset this weight gain, they reduced the length of the barrel lug. Obviously, the stock had to be changed to accommodate for the longer bayo. The location of the rear swivel was moved sometime in 1966, from the side to the bottom of the butt while other factories either left them or moved it later. This was not a change in cost savings. In 1967, the use of sheet metal appeared in the trigger group. Stamp sheet metal is cheaper and faster to produce. No skilled machinist was needed. In order to further reduce the dependency on milling, they eliminated the lightening cuts on the bolt carrier and the bayo lug, sacrificing a bit of the weight gain. The biggest savings in cost came when they went from threaded barrel to a pinned barrel. With a pinned barrel there was no need to have a barrel lug therefore the barrel blank was alot smaller in diameter and thus cheaper. It also saved on labour because no threading was needed, not just on the barrel but also on the receiver. All they had to do is heat, press and pin. IMHO, all of the above changes had no ill effect on the operation or the accuracy of the rifle. Stamped parts were still interchangeable with milled parts. From front to the back of the rifle. From the left: With lightening cut, no lightening cut with screw, no lightening cut with rivet and incomplete lug for SKS-M. All Chinese SKS came with chrome lined bore but the chamber were not all chromed, chromed chamber came later. Above pic from beachgumwithagun: bakelite, others are normally made of wood. Markings on the leaf. From the left: n,D,3 and III is missing. From left: early and late. From the top: milled 3 sides early , milled 2 sides mid and late. Main spring guide and locking cap. From the top: milled locking cap, stamp locking cap. A small piece of the stud protrude through the bottom, it does not affect the serial numbers. This is far superior to the frankken pin mags. Above pic from martin08: tab at the bottom, others are normally on top. From the top: milled early and mid production , stamp mid and late production. Made from the Catalpa tree. From the top: with no cut for bayo, cut for a spike, cut for a blade. Factory 26 parts changes. Changes made in 1965. Changes made in 1967. Changes made in other years. Note: At factory 26 information on 1971-1978 are not available at this time. China did not mark their refurbs. The quality of the refurb work can vary widely, Some were done really well and others were done poorly. Some parts were replaced with whatever was available at the time. No thought was given to whether it was the wrong production class. Nothing went to waste. Only through observation could you tell the difference. OTHER STANDARD SKS - PLA. Feature: unique serial number and a tiny star stamp on the right side of the butt stock. If the Russian SKS 1949 is the first year production then the Chinese counterpart would be the Sino Soviet, except its isn't as rare as the Russian 1949. Feature : chrome ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12. OTHER STANDARD SKS - NON PLA. Eqyptian, feature: laminated stock, blued carrier. Vietnamese: marking M21 No ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13. In the early years, you can tell China favoured the SKS over the AK. When it came time to develop a new rifle, they basically took the best features from the AK and married it with the SKS. Their offspring Type 63 had no significant parts that were interchangeable with the parents other than the exterior resemblance to the SKS. The internal mechanisms were completely different. The Type 63 had a rotating locking bolt, an adjustable gas regulator, selective fire and it also use a detachable mag. For these reasons, IMHO, its not a variant. Type 63 did not replace the SKS. These variants are commercially produced by converting a standard to a SKS that used an AK mag. Early versions were simple conversions with minimal effect to other parts but the later versions were built from spare parts and had the stock, carrier and bayo lug made specifically for them. They were easier to make than the originals. It loses the bolt hold because the AK mag was not designed to use a charging clip therefore rendering the charging clip groove in the carrier useless. The later version of the carrier eliminates the need to mill out that groove, saving time and money. When new gun laws came into effect in the USA in 1989, the SKS-D did not comply with the new laws. Most came with a shortened barrel. The markings on the sides were SKS Sporter, SKS-M, SKS NR and MC-5D. The MC-5D was the name they used for the California market. The mag catch appeared to look like the standard mag catch but it releases an AK mag. Shortly afterwards in 1994, the US banned importation of the Chinese SKS altogether. The SKS-M and MC-5D that was destined for the US market eventually ended up here. Short barrel- Para, Sporter Carbine, Cowboy's Companion. SKS Sharpshooter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 14. Quality can range from excellent to good. SKS produced for commercial use only. It could be a standard SKS assembled from spare parts or a standard converted to a variant. Workmanship on these commercially built SKS varies. Quality is a mixed bag. It's involved in high-tech anti-aircraft, battle tanks to oil field equipment. When it comes to SKS, Norinco is basically an exporter. They do not actually manufacture them, they contract them out to factories that jointly develop other firearms with them. Polytech is the other exporter. Unlike the US, we in Canada are fortunate not to have an import stamp on our firearms. However that's not to say we might not see it in the near future. There are talks about it every year. The SKS type 45 carbines by Duncan long 3. How to disassemble a SKS. How to disassemble the bolt. How to adjust sights. ERROR: If you can see this, then is down or you don't have Flash installed. How to prevent slamfires. Once in awhile a member would experience slam fire with their new SKS, in most cases it is due to poor cleaning of the bolt. I recommend you completely dismantle the bolt, clean thoroughly, use a q-tip in the firing pin tunnel. Firing pin should rattle freely after cleaning, use no oil. And when at the range, I recommend you load only two rounds in mag for the first two shot. When using commercial ammo because they have softer primer than the surplus ammo, you're more likely to experience slamfire so I recommend installing a spring firing pin, its available from sksman. How to install ATI Strikeforce stock. How to open a Czech steel ammo box. Thank You I found out a lot that I did not know about the 3 SKS that I own all were bought as soon as BILL CLINTON was elected. I knew that we were in for a long ride and did not want to be on the short in. This will helpful showing a certain Marine that is my step son that they are a lot more accurate than the AK's in most cases. He thinks they are all China junk. Importer stamp: Here's a couple examples of the Public Security marks: Here's a recent photo taken in Shanghai of one of the Public Security force vehicles displaying the same two characters: Both early and late features can be found on these rifles - threaded or pinned barrels, stamped and milled trigger housings, etc. I have 2 sks stock my father left when he passed away im looking for information on it so I will know when I leave it to my nephew first one has a triangle with the number 4 inside on left side of stock in wood and numbers on the end of stock 39709 and its wider than the other the second has no marks on the stock but a number on the end 25552 can u tell me what the marks mean and if possible who made it and the year?

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These variants are commercially produced by converting a la to a SKS that used an AK mag. The period for these production classes are rough estimates. For Albanian SKS Rifles The Albanian SKS has a dash at the end of the serial number followed by two numbers. It was replaced by the newly designed Zip 81 rifle. Working pressure - 45,000 psi Bore diameter. About GunCollectionsOnline - .

2018 Bounceback Free Dining Released

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You can call Disney or have your travel agent book the reservation and receive it. We just returned from our family of 4 vacation at Disney. I understand that I obviously cannot book two separate Disney-specific discounts if they are available at the same time For example: 15 percent off Value rooms OR free dining but NOT both.

I would like to know this answer too. I have two VERY picky, light eaters so we only plan on getting the plan if it is offered for free. If you book Free Dining, you won't be able to use other promotions.

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Free Disney Dining Plan is a Walt Disney World promotion that is usually a great vacation package discount. The big update now is that the 2019 Free Dining bounceback offer is now available for booking through October 31, 2018! Not for 2018 and not for 2019. We will email our subscribers the minute we hear any rumors or have any sort of info. For now, 2019 Free Dining bounceback dates have emerged. This is especially true as fall travel dates grow in popularity at Walt Disney World, and less of an incentive is needed to entice guests to book trips. Value and Moderate Resorts receive the Quick Service Dining Plan, and only Deluxe or Deluxe Villa Resorts receive the standard Disney Dining Plan, etc. Again, exact same story as last year. Because of this, there was some concern that all discounts would be blocked out from the time that Star Wars land debuts until…the end of eternity or, at least, until demand dies down a bit. If you enjoy beer, wine, or cocktails, this adds a ton of potential value to the Disney Dining Plan and, by extension, Free Dining. Again, we want to reiterate that the bounce-back offer is only for guests to book while on vacation at Walt Disney World. Guests receive flyers in their room with details about how to book the promotion during their stay. You can call Disney or have your travel agent book the reservation and receive it. During your on-site Walt Disney Wold vacation, anyone is eligible to book the 2019 Free Disney Dining Plan bounce-back offer between now and October 31, 2018. Other important details, exclusions, and restrictions are as follows in our Free Dining FAQ… Free Dining FAQ This section of the post covers the rules, terms and conditions, and policies that generally govern the Free Dining promotion. With this special offer, Walt Disney World guests booking vacation packages with non-discounted resort hotels and park tickets receive the Disney Dining Plan for each member of their party for no additional charge. These resorts and room tiers are all not eligible for Free Dining. Additionally, a 4-night minimum stay is required with a maximum stay of fourteen nights. Speaking of which, doing the math is incredibly important, since other discounts such as a room-only discount might be better for your family. Remember, there is no such thing as a free lunch; you have forfeit an alternate discount to qualify for Free Dining. This is the quickest and easiest way to apply the promotion. You might see other advice that recommends calling first thing in the morning to book Free Dining. Booking or modifying your reservation online is far quicker and easier. If you are wondering which hotel to book for the Free Dining promotion, check out our new post. It gives our preferred option for each resort tier. With this Free Dining offer, Value and Moderate Resort guests receive the Quick Service Disney Dining Plan during the promotion. Guests at Deluxe and Deluxe Villa Resorts receive the standard Disney Dining Plan. Upgrading to higher tiers is possible for an additional charge. We highly recommend making Advance Dining Reservations as soon as possible. Yes, even before Free Dining is offered, if you can. To answer some other common questions: yes, you must purchase tickets with the offer even if you already have them or an Annual Pass. No, bookings made with Disney Vacation Club points are not eligible for the offer. For details about which tier of the Disney Dining Plan includes or for recommendations about which restaurants to book to maximize your use of the Disney Dining Plan, please see our comprehensive. Note that the Free Disney Dining Plan promotion is always based upon arrival dates. Again, arrival dates are what matters with Free Dining. Guests staying at a Walt Disney World Value and Moderate Resorts receive the Quick Service Dining Plan during the Free Dining promotion, but are able to upgrade to the standard Disney Dining Plan or the Deluxe Disney Dining Plan if they pay the difference. Guests staying at Deluxe or Deluxe Villa Resorts receive the standard Disney Dining Plan and may upgrade to the Deluxe Disney Dining Plan by paying the difference, too. To upgrade from the Quick Service Disney Dining Plan to the Deluxe one, add the two upgrade costs together. In the section below, we have historical Free Dining dates for the last few years. The rest of what follows is historical information about the Free Disney Dining Plan promotion… Historical Information The following is not pertinent to 2019 or any years beyond, but we have found that readers find it useful to have details about past Free Dining promos when planning for the future and what to expect. Note that the dates are pretty consistent from year to year, with slight shifts for holidays, weekends, and special events like Pop Warner , or other things that may be excluded from the Free Disney Dining Plan promotion. Last year, there was no early booking window for Disney Visa cardholders, but there was an expanded date range see below. The two years before, Disney Visa cardholders did have an early booking window. Exact dates are listed below. Most years, the general public is able to book Free Dining packages 5 days after Disney Visa cardholders can book. In years past, Free Dining has been announced in late April, with booking opening first for and the general public a few days later. The last couple of years, there was no early window for Disney Visa cardholders. However, that earlier August start date is arguably a better perk, so hopefully it returns again for 2019. For where to eat, read our. Planning other aspects of a Walt Disney World trip? 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I bet you would only need to stay one night to make the booking.

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He would say those women made a bad choice and that he did not need a visa he just wanted me to be his wife so we could begin our life together. The people portrayed on these photos are innocent men and women, NOT involved in scamming in any way and have nothing to do with scammers. After a lot of time among Arabs, my bottom line position is that I will have courtesy or I will have blood. Lots of things said above comments are true but my spin is that it might not be on the scale of Morocco as you do find that some areas all over the world have slum areas so do be careful of all above.

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Dating doesn't exist and sex outside of marriage is quite hard. It is not the same as in the US. It is not even the same as in other Arab countries. I encourage you to research the subject. In many homes it is the cultural norm. I am not just talking about women. Many men are seeking also seeking assistance from abusive families. Please tell me if you are just talking about your relationship or the culture in general. I was just responding to this post and my experiences and many people that I know that have had similiar experiences. I don't know anyone who has not experienced something similiar. I am speaking of emotional abuse including with holding love on a regular basis and or physical abuse. I am also speaking of financial abuse. I am also speaking of being used for papers or used as a custodian. Although I do know of one couple married for 25 years and one married for 40. My boyfriend asked me if i knew of anyone willing to do this, he is very much in love with me and would never ask me to do that for him, although he wants his brother that he has not seen in nineteen years to come to the United States, he says his brother and my friend might hit it off, but its for the money she is going to do it for. Now my question, she is on disability and going over as a tourist to visit my boyfriends family with him and I. Does she have to have a job to be able to bring him back to the states? Is it okay that she is only a student and a mother, collects SSI? Is it safe for me to go and meet my boyfriends parents in Morocco? Should I be worried he says they come from a nice part of Morocco outside of Cassablanca, and i should not be nervous about visiting. They come from a good family and i have been dating him for a little more than a year he is very good to me and my children and when i talk to his parents they are very nice to me. Is there anything to worry about for me just to visit? What should i expect when i get there? I have done some research and the part of Morocco i am going to visit is really beutiful. We him and I have had this trip planned for some time he is already a legal citizen of the United States works a good job for a limo company, and has worked for them for some time now. CAN SOMEONE HELP ME HERE SHOULD I HAVE MY FRIEND DO THIS FOR MY BOYFRIEND SO HE CAN HAVE HIS BROTHER HERE? Or is it to dangerous. What you are posting is not only dangerous but also illegal. In my opinion you are a desperate nut being scammed by good con artist - you say he wouldn't ever ask you to do this, BUT he has! How do you truly KNOW he has not seen his brother in 19 years - just because he says so? Have you seen his passport verifying that he has not been back to Morocco in all that time? How can you even be sure your guy ain't married and using you til he can get his wife and kids over here? Boy you sure are naive............. NO - there is NO guarantee even if people marry that they will be able to bring a spouse over - and the wait is usually long. And YES you have to be able to prove that you can support the person coming so need a decent job and not just SSI. I lived with a Moroccan for a whole year. He was very charming at first, but gradually became quite domineering and mentally abusive. He hid me from his family and Moroccan friends - it was too shameful for him to be with this white Irish girl. He spoke of marriage the whole time until one day he received a very prestigious job offer in another country. Then he decided it was time to dump the old Irish girl as he could never take her home to his family anyway. I felt totally cheated, I was lied to for a whole year. At the end of it all I was just the pretty white girl that he wanted to play around with for a while before finding some nice Muslim girl to settle down with. Perhaps mine is an isolated experience, but girls please be careful, I have not one shred of confidence left in myself after my experience with this man. In my experience, Muslim men often have a very low opinion of us Western girls, don't allow yourself to be put down as I have been. First there is never any reason to call anyone names. I believe that no one not any one person can truly comment on anothers relationship or marriage. I believe it is between the husband and wife. There are many reasons a marriage did not work. But what I have found out when a cultural marriage does not work people say the woman was used for a green card and when a marriage between citizens does not work it is called: OH WELL! I have heard IGNORANCE is bliss. It is a shame that Ignorance walks anywhere. I honestly believe that there are people who want to instill fear, to control a conversation or just be self opinionated rather then help. That is generally done out of fear inside of them and not the well being for others. When someone gives you advice consider the source and know that it goes away and you have the final decision. Thank God for that!!!!!! Also there are some very good groups on yahoo for women with Moroccan men, their guidance is truly out of experience rather then hear say.

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